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[drinkin-not-thinkin]

Haha! You're so right. They have always been kicking metallicas ass. I know Dave wouldnt ever release a defective cd. He cares to much about his life work to tolerate that shit.

However as far as Megadeth, United Abominations in my opinion was very dull in writing but the production was pretty good. I would rather have DM by a mile as is. UA was a huge disappointment to me after the catchy The System Has Failed.

[judas_kisser]

They're not acknowledging the issue because they know it would be very damaging for them. This should be obvious to even the most dim-witted individual.

this.

it's disappointing i know. but i do understand that if they backpedal and speak about the issue, it's going to be a PR disaster so better to remain quiet, take the shots, and improve on the next record (hopefully).

[MetallicaBLS666]

Well, with that fucking attitude I'm never going to buy any future Metallica album.

I will join you in a way next time Metallica puts out a record I will DL it and if it sounds anywhere like DM I'm done. I'm sorry I can support a band who allowed something like this to happen.

[9/11=InsideJob]

Sadily that is 100% how I feel sometimes with Metallica anymore.

Glad i'm not the only one feeling this way. I have found some brothers in arms it seems.

[MetallicaBLS666]

Glad i'm not the only one feeling this way. I have found some brothers in arms it seems.

Thanks man. Like I said I can't stand for Metallica doing something like this and having the attiude they have had in responce.

[tung]

Glad i'm not the only one feeling this way. I have found some brothers in arms it seems.

Now that's a good-sounding CD right there.. Dire Straits - Brothers in Arms.

I don't know about the reissue, but look for a download.

You have to turn it up a little, but it sounds really freakin' good.

[MatsP]

Let's just hope that they some day will understand that it's not their musical effort that is criticized, but the fact that a technical error occurred during the mixing stage.

Edited by MatsP, Oct 17 08 - 08:44 PM.

[SiriuslyCold]

You have to turn it up a little, but it sounds really freakin' good.

what's with these quaint old recordings that expect you to have a volume control...


BTW, Brothers in Arms sounds spectacular in surround - it's so immersive

[Mind-Locust]

I don't get this constant complaining about sound quality. I listened to DM and yeah, sure, there were some static. So what though. I don't know, maybe I'm just old. You people ever listened to this ancient audio format called cassettes? You want to talk about static, clipping, or whatever you want to call it?

[Cristian Kirk]

I don't get this constant complaining about sound quality. I listened to DM and yeah, sure, there were some static. So what though. I don't know, maybe I'm just old. You people ever listened to this ancient audio format called cassettes? You want to talk about static, clipping, or whatever you want to call it?

My fist Metallica album I ever bought was the Black Album on cassette when I was like 10 years ols... and let me tell you... it sounds smoking.

[GroZ]

There is an alternative to DM. Stop listening to Metallica.

yeah there's better music out there

metallica dont deserve our attention

Edited by GroZ, Oct 17 08 - 09:18 PM.

[Korpse II]

The way I see it...as an audiophile, and a fellow musician...is if he likes it...if the artist likes what they have created, than that is all that matters. If you, the customer don't like it...than don't buy it. You feel it was a waste of money? Send it back. Return it. The most important thing is that the creator of this music enjoys it. Thats all that matters.

Personally, I don't enjoy the crappy mixing either, but I respect their tastes and opinions. I imagine myself in their positions...personally, I wouldn't stand for crappy mixing, but to them...maybe they do in fact enjoy it.

[trippytip]

My fist Metallica album I ever bought was the Black Album on cassette when I was like 10 years ols... and let me tell you... it sounds smoking.

I would actually rather listen to some old cassettes rather than the retail Death Magnetic...

[The Fall of Ktulu]

FIRST AND FOREMOST, is there any proof that James actually said this? Link? Someone? Anyone???

Secondly, this is really sad. I was extremely annoyed by Lars' comments, but I don't really expect anything else from him anyways. James, however, is one of my rock heroes. I have a lot of respect for the guy. I've also met him, and he was really cool. I hope those quotes aren't true; they sound so ignorant, and even rude. To call 16,000 fans "retarded" (who uses that word anymore, anyway?). I had hoped James would have a little more integrity here, especially since he's obviously gone through a lot over the last few years, and is obviously very proud of his new album (and so are we, besides the shitty sound). It's hard to believe that they care that little about the sound quality, or the fans, when we give them so much of our money. You'd think they'd at least be a little less harsh with their statements.

[MatsP]

FIRST AND FOREMOST, is there any proof that James actually said this? Link? Someone? Anyone???

Secondly, this is really sad. I was extremely annoyed by Lars' comments, but I don't really expect anything else from him anyways. James, however, is one of my rock heroes. I have a lot of respect for the guy. I've also met him, and he was really cool. I hope those quotes aren't true; they sound so ignorant, and even rude. To call 16,000 fans "retarded" (who uses that word anymore, anyway?). I had hoped James would have a little more integrity here, especially since he's obviously gone through a lot over the last few years, and is obviously very proud of his new album (and so are we, besides the shitty sound). It's hard to believe that they care that little about the sound quality, or the fans, when we give them so much of our money. You'd think they'd at least be a little less harsh with their statements.

Agree. I can't imagine the word "retarded" coming from his mouth in this situation. Lars perhaps, but not James.

[williew705]

"That's retarded"

Hmmm. That's what I thought to myself at the thought of an industry released album sounding like it was being blasted out of a mono tape deck with a blown speaker.

Edited by williew705, Oct 17 08 - 10:57 PM.

[MatsP]

"That's retarded"

Hmmm. That's what I thought to myself at the thought of an industry released album sounding like it was being blasted out of a mono tape deck with a blown speaker.

It fits in perfectly THERE, sure.

[Lee_Claire]

Agree. I can't imagine the word "retarded" coming from his mouth in this situation. Lars perhaps, but not James.

Well, the petition to get it remixed was/is retarded. The one to end the loudness war -- not so much. Granted, I think online petitions in general are stupid, but at least the loudness war one is attempting to rectify bring awareness to an industry-wide issue, instead of just a specific release that would never be remixed, anyhow.

Edited by Lee_Claire, Oct 17 08 - 11:00 PM.

[Im Just Blackend]

boo fuckin hoo

[TonyFisher]

The most important thing is that the creator of this music enjoys it. Thats all that matters.

It is conveinient just to say he likes it cause it saves himself money to remix/recall the piece of crap we were all suckered into buying.

Mark my words we wil be suckered into buying it again if it is fixed.

They only care about $$$ now !!

[Lee_Claire]

It is conveinient just to say he likes it cause it saves himself money to remix/recall the piece of crap we were all suckered into buying.

Mark my words we wil be suckered into buying it again if it is fixed.

They only care about $$$ now !!

So don't buy it.

[Korpse II]

It is conveinient just to say he likes it cause it saves himself money to remix/recall the piece of crap we were all suckered into buying.

Mark my words we wil be suckered into buying it again if it is fixed.

They only care about $$$ now !!

And how exactly will you be suckered into buying it again? Do you think Metallica fairies are gonna sneak into your house at night and sprinkle TallicaDust in your eyes and when you awake you'll be forced to buy the album again? No. They are not gonna remix it, so get your head out of your ass.

Besides, what evidence do you have that supports your "They only care about $$$ now !!" statement? I'll tell you what evidence you have...None! Have they ever remixed an album before due to complaints about the sound? No! Did they change a single thing about St.Anger, even after tons of complaints about the snare drum, and even them admitting to it being a failed experiment? No, they didn't. What makes you think they will this time, especially for something that has far less complaints than St.Anger's snare sound.

I'll tell ya what, get your head out of your ass, grow up, and maybe than we'll talk. Idiots like you make me sick. You complain, and whine about how a band only cares about money, but you never back your statement up.

Edited by Korpse II, Oct 17 08 - 11:11 PM.

[ENDER^WIGGIN]

What did you expect? James defying Lars words and promising a remix?

They're too proud of it at the moment to see the flaws. It pretty much closes any chances of any future re-release. Fortunatelly there are GH3 mixes which are an official remix by the way since Metallica profits from GH3 downloads :)

Edited by ENDER^WIGGIN, Oct 18 08 - 12:28 AM.

[MTKilla]

When all of this came about I was scared to death about the way the CD was going to sound. And low and behold it sounded mediocre. But I think they honestly don't give a fuck. They loved the production team they were working with, or respected them enough not to disrespect their garbage work on a radio station. Garage Days II, on the bottom of it reads "somewhat produced". I put that in the CD player the other day and it sounds like DM.......somewhat produced. I truly feel after garage days metallica is going with the "raw, in a garage......not overproduced" product. Garage Days II is how this band truly wants to sound. I wish they would just flat out admit that so people would maybe understand. St. Anger was a "raw" feel, and they didn't want DM to sound too polished....which then insert "loudness war" and it isn't the same. Bob Rock, love him or hate him, can put a raw Cd together and still make it sound good. Metallica is stuck in the middle of where they want to sound. Do they want to compromise their sound that they don't give a shit about clipping on an album? That doesn't make sense.

[Absolute]

It's pretty obvious they know about the problem. Hetfield's words are the instructions he got from the record company. Add that to the "We don't care what you think" attitude they've been carrying around since 1996, and you've got a pretty hypocrite Hetfield in 2008, which is sad, and pretty much kills the essence of the early Metallica.

We have to wait at least another 2 successful records until they'd start talking about it, and the truth will surface. My guess is that the production on the next record would be pretty awesome. My advice: Get Andy Sneap to sit behind the mix table.