[ericcartman03]

thetonto, on 10/02/08 09:09 pm, said:

I agree, except all we are doing is spending 15 dollars on a CD. We're not investing in some epic grand metal adventure that must meet our every expectation it's what we have to find ourselves in the music. I don't believe we (general metallifan populace) should be aloud to be this uproarious and hellbent on getting a remastered CD. Because it's like getting a painter to repaint a painting, right?

I'm sure the painter would fix the painting if someone came in after he was done and smeared paint all over it, I doubt he would leave it like that.

This post has been edited by ericcartman03: Oct 02 08 - 09:39 PM

[EvilBob]

You could point him to Justice For Audio. I think all of the posters there are from here, and I don't think there are any flare-ups there. We're all just trying to get the best sound for this album, and hopefully others to follow it. This is no longer about D-Mag or Metallica, this is about the future of music and audio quality. Death Magnetic is just the most prominent and (thanks to GH) obvious casualty of the 'Loudness war'. Which should really because the 'But these go to eleven' War.

[Cigo]

Cool, I'll point him towards there. Any other sites like that?? It probably helps to get more than Metbb involved. Isn't there one that's dedicated to the loudness wars that had Rush and RHCP mentioned too?? It helps show that DM isn't the only victim here.

[EvilBob]

There's a blog post here about the 'Send it back' Day. And a bunch of links on the JFA forum to news articles, blogs and a bunch of stuff.

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Isn't there one that's dedicated to the loudness wars that had Rush and RHCP mentioned too??

That's Justice For Audio. DM started it, but it's beyond any one album now.

This post has been edited by EvilBob: Oct 02 08 - 09:58 PM

[Cigo]

EvilBob, on 10/03/08 12:57 am, said:

There's a blog post here about the 'Send it back' Day. And a bunch of links on the JFA forum to news articles, blogs and a bunch of stuff.

That's Justice For Audio. DM started it, but it's beyond any one album now.

Ahh OK. I must have went to JFA when it was in its infant stages because I remember 4 topics...

Death Magnetic

Vapor Trails

Californication

Other CD's


Seems like it is growing nicely.

[MatsP]

Here is a "stem" for an article. I don't really know what to add after this, but feel free to contribute. Please bear with possible grammatical errors, since I'm from Sweden.

"The latest effort from Metallica entitled 'Death Magnetic' is a stellar musical achievement. However, the sound level is brought to a point where distortion is introduced, which is harmful to both ears and audio equipment."

This post has been edited by MatsP: Oct 02 08 - 10:12 PM

[Cigo]

MatsP, on 10/03/08 01:12 am, said:

Please bear with possible grammatical errors, since I'm from Sweden.

Heh, didn't notice. I live in Hillbilly HELL so you probably speak better english than what I'm surrounded by on a daily basis.

[MatsP]

Cigo, on 10/03/08 07:14 am, said:

Heh, didn't notice. I live in Hillbilly HELL so you probably speak better english than what I'm surrounded by on a daily basis.

Uh-huh :wink:

[SiriuslyCold]

http://sickmouthy.blogspot.com/

Imperfect Sound Forever

[Cigo]

SiriuslyCold, on 10/03/08 01:17 am, said:

Imperfect Sound Forever

It's asking for a username password???

[MatsP]

Cigo, on 10/03/08 07:19 am, said:

It's asking for a username password???

Yeah, interesting...

[SiriuslyCold]

Cigo, on 10/03/08 02:19 pm, said:

It's asking for a username password???

just click cancel on that (every time).

I think stylus' server is down but the Archive.org pulls some content from there; but the missing content is not relevant to the article

Better if your friend could write Nick Southall directly and ask where he can get reprint rights

[ericcartman03]

Cigo, on 10/02/08 10:14 pm, said:

Heh, didn't notice. I live in Hillbilly HELL so you probably speak better english than what I'm surrounded by on a daily basis.

ROFLMAO!!! :lol: :lol: :rockdevil:

[Heavymaskinen]

Here's a statement:

It's physically uncomfortable for me to listen to the cd on earphones, even at lower volumes. There's no need to make the music soft or change it AT ALL, just lower the master-volume to a point where it peaks at 0dB instead of digitally overdriving it with 6-7dB.

[Cigo]

Well guys, I am off to bed. Any decent idea's that come to you post here or PM me and I'll pass them along. And thank you to everyone for contributing and being civil/mature about the subject. Acting like this will take you ALOT further than you think.

:rockdevil:

[Moderus]

Here's my quote.

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If the sound of the album is so lively, exciting, jump out of my speakers loud, why can't I hear it?

[ericcartman03]

This quote is from the article that I think is linked in this thread. Oh well I'll just link it again. Anyway, this is a good description of what I've noticed about music lately. It gets boring quicker for sure, this might explain why. This article is filled with lots of great information about the loudness wars and what it fundamentally is and dose to music.

http://web.archive.o...und-forever.htm

"It’s this flatness, this clipping, this unwavering attack, that wears and tires and means you won’t listen to your favourite records, if they’re from the last few years, as often as you might want to, because they are intrinsically unmusical and unpleasant. Hence, perhaps, the perpetual merry-go-round of seeking the newest flavour-of-the-month; over-compressed music sounds great for a couple of listens, but there is little desire to replay the music because your brain recognises that there is something fundamentally unmusical about the sound."


EDIT: another good quote -

"Music is about tension and release. With very "hot," un-dynamic music there is no release because the sensory assault simply doesn’t let-up. By the time you've listened closely (or tried to) to a whole album that's heavily compressed, you end up feeling like Alex at the end of A Clockwork Orange—battered, fatigued by, and disgusted with the music you love. I think the reason I suffer from a musical malaise for the first couple of months of every year recently is largely because October, November and December are spent frantically listening to a morass of the year's records in an effort to concoct "best-of" lists for end-of-year polls. By Christmas I simply have a massive dose of listening fatigue that takes 8-10 weeks to recover from. I very much doubt that this is just me."

This post has been edited by ericcartman03: Oct 03 08 - 12:08 AM

[ericcartman03]

This has got to be one of my favs.

"I fidget when I listen to music in public. I tap my feet, nod my head, drum my fingers together. Occasionally, if I’m pretty sure no one’s looking, I’ll break out into a spectacular air-drum roll, swooshing my invisible sticks across fifty tom-toms, thirty cymbals and heaven-only-knows how many snares and kick-drums. While full-on drum rolls might be rare, the rest is commonplace whether I’m on the train or walking through the woods. Other people I see out and about wearing walkmans or MP3 players seldom seem to tap, or nod, or hum along at all though; instead their gazes seem fixed with a steely resolve, their bodies tense and their minds seemingly tenser. To me that isn’t the body language of someone enjoying music."


I don't care what anyone says. DM was a mistake to sound the way it does as with every other piece of music that has come out in last decade. I'll bet it is going to start changing again. There is no way making music like this will last. We as a species can't be that stupid, I almost want to change majors just so I can be a physical part of helping to change the situation.

Reading the article above has put it in such a good context, it makes me mad that music has gotten to this point.

[ericcartman03]

This is my last quote from the article as it is the end paragraph.

"But people are slowly realising that so many modern CDs sound so bad because they're too loud—they may not consciously know the reasons, but subconsciously listeners are shunning overly "hot" music; a swift analysis of album chart sales suggests more people are buying modern easy-listening and AOR types than rock, pop, hip-hop, or dance albums, presumably because people are simply tired of being shouted at. The increase in home cinema and the wonderful dynamics it can bring is making people aware that today’s music, by comparison, is flat and dull, even if it’s “louder.” The recent Kate Bush album was a strike against unnecessary volume, and Leaders of the Free World by Elbow contains some startling dynamic shifts. Nashville is beginning to understand how its music is harmed by the pursuit of loudness, and country records are being clawed back from the brink.

Please, just stop a moment and think about how you’re listening, about what you’re listening to and how it sounds. If you want to listen to something loud, there’s a simple method—turn it up."

[CFHinLA]

Cigo, I sent you a PM. I think I can get you the info you need. Thanks for the guys who linked JFA

We got our first solid media mention today!!!

http://www.gibson.co...-defends-sound/

This post has been edited by CFHinLA: Oct 03 08 - 12:25 AM

[trunk8]

MatsP, on 10/03/08 06:37 am, said:

"The latest effort by Metallica is a stellar musical achievement, although the sound level is brought to a point where distortion is introduced, which is harmful to both ears and audio equipment."

Better?

Better add 'Digital Distortion', so it's absolutely un-ambiguous. This will also leave the integrity of the music unchallengeable.

€0.02

[MatsP]

Edited version:

"The latest effort from Metallica entitled 'Death Magnetic' is a stellar musical achievement. However, the sound level is brought to a point where digital distortion resulting from clipping is introduced, which is harmful to both ears and audio equipment."

And with some references to other articles, like this one:

http://stason.org/TU...peakers-RK.html

And, of course, some kind of explanation of the term "clipping".

This post has been edited by MatsP: Oct 03 08 - 12:57 AM

[IronFistsIsBack]

Waverley73, on 10/02/08 09:11 pm, said:

As a fan of the band for 20 years I find it absolutely astounding that the best version of Death Magnetic can be found on a video game. The mind boggles that this can happen. One of the largest CD releases for years and the official CD version sounds like a distorted mess compared to the Guitar Hero version. Loud is good but when it kills the actual sounds of the instruments it is a travesty. This album deserves better than that. The music is amazing but the audio quality of the CD is preventing many fans from enjoying it.

Here, here !! Loud is good, and that is what the volume control on my stereo is for !!

They will never re-master anyway, that would be like admitting that they didnt want it that way, they are already pretending that they wanted it that way so they dont look like a bunch of dicks for allowing such a fuck up. Theres no way a week down the line they will admit it sounds like shit.

they made their choice, they are happy to be a world wide joke, lets just hope on the next album, in like 2015, they dont fuck it up

[ericcartman03]

IronFistsIsBack, on 10/03/08 12:50 am, said:

they made their choice, they are happy to be a world wide joke, lets just hope on the next album, in like 2015, they dont fuck it up

HAHAHAHA! :lol: :rockdevil: F'n A Cotton, we can only hope!

[ianshepherd]

Just for the record:

Distortion doesn't damage speakers. Playing music too loud damages speakers. However distortion is often a sign that the amp or speakers are being pushed too hard. Distortion in the music itself is harmless unless you play it too loud for the amp or speakers.

Ian