[mdaneker]

If the CD brick wall sounded so damn good, why did they use a different master for the 5 LP set?

Here's a wave file comparison, as you'll see, far louder than GHIII, but not brick-walled like the retail CD.

I've been listening to this rip, this is file we want, this is the best mix IMHO

http://s414.photobuc..._Vinyl_V_CD.jpg :rockdevil:

[Waverley73]

That does look a lot better. So can you hear Rob fine in the LP version?

[Cigo]

I thought the 5lp was the same?

[mdaneker]

Cigo, on 10/02/08 09:19 pm, said:

I thought the 5lp was the same?

Nope, the wave files don't lie! I was playing it through my crappy notebook speakers and my wife walked in the room and said that it was the best the album ever sounded.

All I can say is go to "the pirate bay dot com" and search Death Magnetic. Look for a post today by "exit-reality" and download it.

[MrFaust]

not all GH3 "rips" are bad quite or too crisp like the EQ'ed version of Paulisme by Paster Of Muppets 70

I have not shared the version I made, but will explain the process.

http://i33.tinypic.com/2m6liqw.jpg

I took the new D34DL1N3R 24bit 96kHz FLAT flacs, decompressed to wav, downmixed to 16bit 44.1kHz then ran each wav though AAMS 2.2 rev002 with the Reference Database file - @Rock Metal Hard.aam. It is, in my opinion, the best sounding mix right now. It doesn't just raise the volume, it does many MANY things that make it really enjoyable now. The EQ'ed version of Paulisme rips was to sharp for my ears. This is crisp and punchy and still fairly warm sounding.

[ericcartman03]

Cigo, on 10/02/08 08:19 pm, said:

I thought the 5lp was the same?

Me too. I thought that people that had the Vinyl still complained. But it might be because of the medium that they could not brickwall it. So they probably pushed that medium to its limits.

[Esfandios]

There were two different vinyl releases, no? A 33rpm one and a 5-disc 45rpm one. I think. Could be that people with one spread the word that the vinyl is also shit while the other is actually alright?

[Cigo]

ericcartman03, on 10/02/08 11:35 pm, said:

Me too. I thought that people that had the Vinyl still complained. But it might be because of the medium that they could not brickwall it. So they probably pushed that medium to its limits.

Same here. Can someone with the 5lp (not a rip) comment?

I'm too lazy to rifle through the threads but from what I read I was under the impression it was quieter, but still "LOUD" in the sense that the CD was.

[Moderus]

The 5LP version still has the same problems.

[mdaneker]

Moderus, on 10/02/08 09:50 pm, said:

The 5LP version still has the same problems.

Dude, I've got the .wav patterns, I've listened to it, it's not the fucking same. WTF? Do you think I just made this up to amuse myself? Click the link and look at the difference, they are not the same master, no way those are the same.

Even if you took the CD master and puled it down -5 or -9dB you still wouldn't see any dynamic range because of all the compression.

The 5 disk is mastered at 45rpm, not 33. I believe the 2 disk does not sound much better because it's LP and even without compression wouldn't not have near the Dynamic Range of the 45rpm.

The only reason for pressing the 5 disk is for audiophiles, compression on such a cut would make even less sense than on a CD! Besides the CD is mastered to sound loud for Mp3 Players, the 5 disk is made to sound perfect for audiophiles.

Like I said, the files don't like, you can't un-compress the CD files, the only way you see that range is if it's a different master.

And, I've listened to it, to the CD to several GHIII rips and being a sworn audiophile my entire 35 years I know what I hear.

[mdaneker]

MrFaust, on 10/02/08 09:31 pm, said:

not all GH3 "rips" are bad quite or too crisp like the EQ'ed version of Paulisme by Paster Of Muppets 70

I have not shared the version I made, but will explain the process.

http://i33.tinypic.com/2m6liqw.jpg

I took the new D34DL1N3R 24bit 96kHz FLAT flacs, decompressed to wav, downmixed to 16bit 44.1kHz then ran each wav though AAMS 2.2 rev002 with the Reference Database file - @Rock Metal Hard.aam. It is, in my opinion, the best sounding mix right now. It doesn't just raise the volume, it does many MANY things that make it really enjoyable now. The EQ'ed version of Paulisme rips was to sharp for my ears. This is crisp and punchy and still fairly warm sounding.

I found the problem with the files you're talking about (and I'm guilty of posting them on Pirate Bay) is that they are sped up, I put the wav files side by side, the regular GHIII, teh 24/96 and the CD and the 24/96 play just a little fast, each song is a few seconds shorter even with all the silence removed from all tracks.

[Waverley73]

mdaneker, on 10/03/08 03:43 pm, said:

Dude, I've got the .wav patterns, I've listened to it, it's not the fucking same. WTF? Do you think I just made this up to amuse myself? Click the link and look at the difference, they are not the same master, no way those are the same.

Even if you took the CD master and puled it down -5 or -9dB you still wouldn't see any dynamic range because of all the compression.

The 5 disk is mastered at 45rpm, not 33. I believe the 2 disk does not sound much better because it's LP and even without compression wouldn't not have near the Dynamic Range of the 45rpm.

The only reason for pressing the 5 disk is for audiophiles, compression on such a cut would make even less sense than on a CD! Besides the CD is mastered to sound loud for Mp3 Players, the 5 disk is made to sound perfect for audiophiles.

Like I said, the files don't like, you can't un-compress the CD files, the only way you see that range is if it's a different master.

And, I've listened to it, to the CD to several GHIII rips and being a sworn audiophile my entire 35 years I know what I hear.

Where might one find a good quality rip of the 5 LP version?

[trippytip]

It's not a different master... otherwise it probably wouldn't distort at all. It's just the fact that it's vinyl, and any "rip" is going to be recorded at a normal volume. So of course it will look different.

It's definitely a hell of a lot easier on the ears though.

[ericcartman03]

Waverley73, on 10/02/08 09:48 pm, said:

Where might one find a good quality rip of the 5 LP version?

download from "Jack Sparrow" Bay, search for death magnetic right now it is the first link. 5 LP.

[Waverley73]

ericcartman03, on 10/03/08 03:53 pm, said:

download from "Jack Sparrow" Bay, search for death magnetic right now it is the first link. 5 LP.

Thanks. The reason I asked is that I heard from someone else that there is a shit LP rip out there. So the one you're talking about is fine?

[ericcartman03]

Waverley73, on 10/02/08 09:55 pm, said:

Thanks. The reason I asked is that I heard from someone else that there is a shit LP rip out there. So the one you're talking about is fine?

It is the one that mdaneker is talking about from exit-reality. I'm currently downloading right now and at 67.5%, so I don't know about the quality personally yet. It was uploaded last night so it is current.

[Waverley73]

ericcartman03, on 10/03/08 03:58 pm, said:

It is the one that mdaneker is talking about from exit-reality. I'm currently downloading right now and at 67.5%, so I don't know about the quality personally yet. It was uploaded last night so it is current.

Cool. This must be a different one because I read a couple of days ago someone saying the LP rip was crap. Will have a look myself tonight.

[mdaneker]

ericcartman03, on 10/02/08 10:58 pm, said:

It is the one that mdaneker is talking about from exit-reality. I'm currently downloading right now and at 67.5%, so I don't know about the quality personally yet. It was uploaded last night so it is current.

I'm currently listening to the .wav files through my stereo (I use an optical output from my computer) and I can't believe it's the same record.

I can hear the vocals on That Was Just Your Life loud and clear, the bass is clean, it doesn't break up or distort.

I wish I had the money for this, I have access to a set of $400 + turntables I could make the sweetest 24 / 96 files of this.

And there is no fucking way the same master is on vinyl as the CD. You can edit the CD files all you want, and the best you can do is make them softer, you can't add dynamic range.

The file from the 5LP looks just like the GHIII rip with about a +4 dB boost. But it sounds better - the vinyl artifacts, but who cares at this point.

I just can't believe, the vocals are not washed out, crisp, clear, I'm in Death Magnetic heaven.

[Cigo]

The GHIII rips sounded a little off to me. I don't know technical terms so flat I guess. Plus there were minor differences from the CD. Hopefully this will be the end all be all d/l.

[Waverley73]

mdaneker, on 10/03/08 04:06 pm, said:

I'm currently listening to the .wav files through my stereo (I use an optical output from my computer) and I can't believe it's the same record.

I can hear the vocals on That Was Just Your Life loud and clear, the bass is clean, it doesn't break up or distort.

I wish I had the money for this, I have access to a set of $400 + turntables I could make the sweetest 24 / 96 files of this.

And there is no fucking way the same master is on vinyl as the CD. You can edit the CD files all you want, and the best you can do is make them softer, you can't add dynamic range.

The file from the 5LP looks just like the GHIII rip with about a +4 dB boost. But it sounds better - the vinyl artifacts, but who cares at this point.

I just can't believe, the vocals are not washed out, crisp, clear, I'm in Death Magnetic heaven.

How does it compare to the GH3 versions?

[Waverley73]

Cigo, on 10/03/08 04:08 pm, said:

The GHIII rips sounded a little off to me. I don't know technical terms so flat I guess. Plus there were minor differences from the CD. Hopefully this will be the end all be all d/l.

They are flat - they need to be EQ'd / mastered. Once you do that they come to life.

[ericcartman03]

mdaneker, on 10/02/08 10:06 pm, said:

I'm currently listening to the .wav files through my stereo (I use an optical output from my computer) and I can't believe it's the same record.

I can hear the vocals on That Was Just Your Life loud and clear, the bass is clean, it doesn't break up or distort.

I wish I had the money for this, I have access to a set of $400 + turntables I could make the sweetest 24 / 96 files of this.

And there is no fucking way the same master is on vinyl as the CD. You can edit the CD files all you want, and the best you can do is make them softer, you can't add dynamic range.

The file from the 5LP looks just like the GHIII rip with about a +4 dB boost. But it sounds better - the vinyl artifacts, but who cares at this point.

I just can't believe, the vocals are not washed out, crisp, clear, I'm in Death Magnetic heaven.

Dude, you just made me salivate like there was some kung pao in front of me or somethin'. I can't wait to have a listen! Like I said before I feel it would be counter-productive to brickwall a vinyl release, wouldn't it sound worse since it would make the needle jump? Don't know much about vinyl, just what I have looked up in the last couple days.

[Cigo]

Waverley73, on 10/03/08 01:10 am, said:

They are flat - they need to be EQ'd / mastered. Once you do that they come to life.

I'm not a sound engineer. That's why I hope the 5lp will not require anything from me except to hit play. I had some of the EQ'd GHIII rips. Some of them actually sounded HORRIBLE. But at least someone tried. And if the 5lp comes off as sounding like everyone want's...anyone willing to buy it?

This post has been edited by Cigo: Oct 02 08 - 10:13 PM

[ericcartman03]

Waverley73, on 10/02/08 10:10 pm, said:

They are flat - they need to be EQ'd / mastered. Once you do that they come to life.

Yeah, I converted to apple lossless for my iPod and use either the Acoustic or Rock EQ setting and they sound awesome that way. If you leave the EQ flat it will kind of sound bland. I actually did a car test on Imperiums new version and it kicks the shit out of my system. The CD hardly made my sub move because all of the punch was lost but the kick drum and bass guitar come through like they should on this new version.

I can't wait to hear this vinyl rip though...

[Cigo]

2 hrs and I'll have the vinyl. I'd actually buy the vinyl but it's going to suck having to flip after every song :neutral: I was going to buy the 5lp originally but got scared off by "you people" lol. If it sounds good I'll invest the $$$.