The loudness war Metallica another huge victim of the loudness war
#176
Posted Aug 27 08 - 05:38 AM
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#179
Posted Aug 27 08 - 08:26 AM
Whittmeister, on 08/27/08 11:24 am, said:
I've explained this several times in the topic already. The version of My Apocalypse I have was compressed from a clean source to a high quality VBR codec. Mp3 compression doesn't remove insane amounts of dynamic range from a recording (yes, it does remove some, but it won't turn a recording full of dynamics into a brick wall limited one).
All of Rick Rubin's recent projects have been brickwall limited to death. The mastering quality of this album will be fine; it's just that, like 99% of other modern albums, it will be brickwalled to death.
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Blah, blah, blah. Listening discomfort is caused by listening fatigue, and listening fatigue is often called by listening to brickwall limited albums, as they are a wall of noise and do not give the ear any time to rest.
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I've been involved in digital video and audio for years; I know what mp3 encoding does to a file. And most of the files on my audio player are OGG VORBIS; I don't like mp3 either. But I still know what it does to a file. If you take a clean sounding audio file and compress it using a high-quality mp3 encoder (eg, LAME, which isn't really an mp3 encoding anyway, is it? :P), it WILL sound decent. However, anything else than LAME, forget it. Yes, I can spot the difference between LAME V0 and CD. It still sounds pretty good though, by far the most you can do with Mp3.
Anyway, all of the stuff you've posted has nothing to do with anything. Sure CDs are not perfect, but they have PLENTY of dynamic range to work with. Why are we having our albums turned from decent-sounding CDs into brickwall limited crapfests? THAT is the main issue; not the mp3 encoding or the problems with CD.
YES, the CD will sound better than the mp3s already out, but I'd bet someone $100 right now it will run up -5dbfs (maybe -6 if we're lucky? :P)
The Black Album was a very full sounding mix than was done at around -12dbfs. It can be done; it's not hard.
#180
Posted Aug 27 08 - 08:39 AM
SirCanealot, on 08/27/08 08:56 pm, said:
All of Rick Rubin's recent projects have been brickwall limited to death. The mastering quality of this album will be fine; it's just that, like 99% of other modern albums, it will be brickwalled to death.
Blah, blah, blah. Listening discomfort is caused by listening fatigue, and listening fatigue is often called by listening to brickwall limited albums, as they are a wall of noise and do not give the ear any time to rest.
I've been involved in digital video and audio for years; I know what mp3 encoding does to a file. And most of the files on my audio player are OGG VORBIS; I don't like mp3 either. But I still know what it does to a file. If you take a clean sounding audio file and compress it using a high-quality mp3 encoder (eg, LAME, which isn't really an mp3 encoding anyway, is it? :P), it WILL sound decent. However, anything else than LAME, forget it. Yes, I can spot the difference between LAME V0 and CD. It still sounds pretty good though, by far the most you can do with Mp3.
Anyway, all of the stuff you've posted has nothing to do with anything. Sure CDs are not perfect, but they have PLENTY of dynamic range to work with. Why are we having our albums turned from decent-sounding CDs into brickwall limited crapfests? THAT is the main issue; not the mp3 encoding or the problems with CD.
YES, the CD will sound better than the mp3s already out, but I'd bet someone $100 right now it will run up -5dbfs (maybe -6 if we're lucky? :P)
The Black Album was a very full sounding mix than was done at around -12dbfs. It can be done; it's not hard.
Excellent post. :up:
#181
Posted Aug 27 08 - 08:44 AM
Keeper of the Flames, on 08/26/08 07:18 am, said:
You have no idea what you're talking about. You're arguing against quality in your listening experience. You want it loud, you can turn the volume up, it would sound fuller and you'd like it more, whether you had a good ear for these things or not.
#182
Posted Aug 27 08 - 10:02 AM
Is there a chance to have clipping problems on the vinyl version?
This post has been edited by raphamj: Aug 27 08 - 10:04 AM
#183
Posted Aug 27 08 - 10:04 AM
Reverberocket, on 08/27/08 04:56 am, said:
Metallica could've theoretically chosen to have thier songs in the red. There are bands like the Stooges and Guitar Wolf who have absolutely ear splitting feedback throughout thier albums. I don't think Metallica did this, but let's keep in mind, this is the band who allowed both St. Anger and And Justice for All to be released with some highly questionable and totally intentional production choices.
Are you incapable of reading? I adressed those issues in my post.
#184
Posted Aug 27 08 - 10:04 AM
It will be distorted in some way, but from what i've read, it can actually make an album sound warmer.
The vinyls have to have different mastering all the same though.
#185
Posted Aug 27 08 - 10:25 AM
Wakers, on 08/27/08 09:04 pm, said:
It will be distorted in some way, but from what i've read, it can actually make an album sound warmer.
The vinyls have to have different mastering all the same though.
Well... that's great news. It will be awesome if we can get a LP version ripped to mp3.
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Posted Aug 27 08 - 10:28 AM
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Posted Aug 27 08 - 10:54 AM
SirCanealot, on 08/26/08 08:06 am, said:
It's not Metallica doing it. If this happens to be the case it will be their label. WARNER. and I hear they are douche bags about this kind of LOUDER IS BETTER approach so we're gonna be really pissed off soon I think.
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Posted Aug 27 08 - 10:54 AM
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#195
Posted Aug 27 08 - 11:28 AM
MoreMetallica, on 08/27/08 07:25 pm, said:
Sort of. I used to do that way back when i still had a cassette walkman. Recording a cd at normal volume could sound really shitty on the tapes.
If you convert a track straight from pro-tools format into an mp3, yes, it will sound absolutely fucked. (or so i've been told, I don't know that myself, but more knowledgeable people have said that).
#196
Posted Aug 27 08 - 11:54 AM
#197
Posted Aug 27 08 - 12:47 PM
http://en.wikipedia....ki/Loudness_war
It's really pleasing to see so much backlash on this issue -- I was hoping such a landmark release would attract as much attention as this. As I've said, all we can do is raise awareness on this issue.
The only problem is I'm 99% sure the band are going to try and sweep this under the carpet and ignore the issue. I'll be 100% suprised if Lars has the balls to talk about it, that's for sure...
#198
Posted Aug 27 08 - 01:30 PM
Wakers, on 08/27/08 01:04 pm, said:
It will be distorted in some way, but from what i've read, it can actually make an album sound warmer.
The vinyls have to have different mastering all the same though.
So are you saying that they recorded DM in analog? Last I checked they were using the computer for their editing which is digital.
#199
Posted Aug 27 08 - 01:33 PM
dethmosh, on 08/27/08 09:30 pm, said:
No..
You cannot put digital data onto an analogue format (vinyl).
Analogue format cannot suffer from digital clipping, but it can still be distorted to some degree (although again, it may not actually make the album sound worse).
#200
Posted Aug 27 08 - 02:11 PM
Wakers, on 08/27/08 04:33 pm, said:
You cannot put digital data onto an analogue format (vinyl).
Analogue format cannot suffer from digital clipping, but it can still be distorted to some degree (although again, it may not actually make the album sound worse).
OK then so why should I buy DM on vinyl when it is essentially the same?
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